Republican Undercard Debate #3: Television Coverage
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(QUICK) First up, Governor Bobby Jindal. QUICK: Senator Rick Santorum. Governor George Pataki. And Senator Lindsey Graham. Obviously we have a lot to cover here tonight so lets get this started. My colleague, John Harwood, has our first question -- John.
(JINDAL) I think the reason voters are so frustrated is nothing seems to change in D.C. Look, over the next several hours, youre going to hear several Republicans all tell you they want to shrink the size of government and grow the American economy and it sounds great and weve got to do it.
(JINDAL) Heres the truth -- of all these folks talking, Im the only one that has cut the size of government. Theres not two of us, theres one of us. The rest of it is all just hot air. When politicians talk, we need to pay attention to what they do, not what they say.
(SANTORUM) And Im the one in the -- on this stage and, frankly, on both stages that has actually gone to Washington, said we would shrink government, said we would shake things up and actually delivered for the conservative cause, everything from welfare reform, which was the largest, most significant accomplishment in the last 25 years for conservatism.
(SANTORUM) I authored the bill when I was in the House of Representatives; I managed the bill on the floor of the United States Senate. You need a conservative who can deliver and thats what I bring to the table.
(PATAKI) We need an outsider to run our party and to win the next election. Washington has become a corrupt insider game and everybody talks about how theyre going to change the taxes, grow the economy. Nothing seems to change.
(PATAKI) But I understand that to change Washington you have to understand government as well. You cant just be an outsider. You cant just be someone who throws stones at Washington. You have to be someone who can actually bring people together across party lines.
(QUICK) Governor Jindal, lets talk a little bit about the news of the day. Just a few hours ago, the Republicans and the Democrats in the House voted on a budget deal that will increase spending by about $80 billion dollars over the next two years.
(QUICK) You, however, have called the Republicans who have been willing to work with the Democrats to do things like this the, Surrender Party of the Republican caucus. Would you have shut the government down instead?
(JINDAL) Well, look, I think thats a false choice. I think this is a very bad deal. Whenever they tell us in D.C. theyre going to cut tomorrow, that means theyre never going to cut. Tomorrow never seems to happen
(JINDAL) I dont mean strength (ph) the growth rate, I mean, actually spend less. Why not a balanced budget in the amendment -- an amendment to the Constitution? Why not a super-majority vote before they grow our taxes, before they grow the government faster than the economy?
(JINDAL) Lets be honest, $18 trillion dollars of debt. Record low participation rate in the workforce, record number of Americans on food stamps. We are going the way of Europe. The left is trying to turn the American Dream into the European Nightmare. If youre a Republican...
(QUICK & JINDAL ) QUICK: ...But Governor... JINDAL: ...(INAUDIBLE) willing to stand up and fight... QUICK: ...if you didnt have a choice, if you didnt control things in the house, would you take the choice of shutting things down, or would you go ahead and agree with them?
(JINDAL) I think thats a false choice. If I were -- I were to lead, we would pass a conservative budget, challenge the President to do the right thing. And, heres the problem, the Republicans never want to fight. Give Pelosi and Reed credit, they forced Obamacare and socialism down our throats, why wont the Republicans fight half as hard for freedom and opportunity. This was a bad budget.
(HARDWOOD) Just hold on, Governor Pataki, were going to go to Senator Graham on this question because we believe you are likely to be the only person on this stage tonight who supports this budget deal. Now, you just heard Governor Jindal say that its a phony deal, it doesnt do anything, and people like you are surrendering rather than fighting by supporting it. Why is he wrong?
(GRAHAM) Well, let me tell you what is real. The threat to our homeland. Ive never seen so many threats to our homeland than I do today. Barack Obama is an incompetent Commander in Chief. There are more terrorist organizations with safe havens to attack the American homeland than anytime since 9/11. Were in the process of reducing our defense spending by half.
(GRAHAM) I am looking at this budget with one view in mind, will it restore the ability to defend this nation. Were on track to have the smallest army since 1940, the smallest navy since 1915, this budget, if it is paid for, will put $40 billion dollars back in the defense department at a time we need it.
(HARDWOOD & PATAKI ) HARDWOOD: Thank you, Senator Graham... PATAKI: ...John, can I quickly comment on this one... (CROSSTALK) HARWOOD: ...Governor, were going to get to you in just a moment, were going to try to keep this shorter... PATAKI: ...But, I want to speak on this issue...
(QUINTANILLA) ...Question, in the meantime, for Senator Santorum. You have advocated a flat tax, so wed like to ask you about fairness. Why is it fair to tax all Americans at the same rate, as opposed to taxing more affluent Americans at higher rates?
(SANTORUM) Well, if you look at my flat tax, it actually takes the best of what Steve Forbes, Art Laffer (ph), many have been advocating for a long time, which is a very strong pro-growth tax code -- very simple. And, it adjusts it to make sure that it is not regressive.
(SANTORUM) We have a $2,750 per person tax credit -- thats $2,750 off the taxes due, not a deduction, a credit. And, we think -- in fact, if you run the numbers, no American whos going to be paying more taxes under our proposal, so, weve accomplished both.
(SANTORUM) We have a system that has a low single rate, but we take care of American families. Im talking about $2,750 per person. That means a family four, thats $11,000 dollar tax credit. Thats a very, very strong pro-family -- and if you looked at the Wall Street Journal today, and so many of the publications that have been out there, theyve talked about how the biggest problem of the hollowing out of the middle of this country. For workers to be able to raise is actually, the breakdown of the American family.
(SANTORUM) William Galston (ph), a liberal, said that on the pages of the Wall Street Journal today that the key to poverty is families. So, we put forth a pro-growth -- Steve Forbes plan, combined it with a pro- family plan, and thats why I think its going to work out, and work effectively.
(QUINTANILLA & QUICK) QUINTANILLA: Senator, thank you. John -- Becky? QUICK: Governor Pataki, lets get to your point. You wanted to make a comment on the budget. You want to get in on the idea, what would you do if you were in Washington? Would you compromise...
(PATAKI) ...I think it was a bad deal, but I would have voted for it for a very simple reason. Barack Obama is the first president in American history to hold our military hostage. He knew that we needed funding for overseas contingency operations, $40 million dollars that would go to support our troops. And, he was prepared, and had vetoed it, unless this deal went through.
(PATAKI) I have two sons, they both served overseas. One in Iraq, and one in Afghanistan, and I understand that we have got to do far more to help our military, help our veterans, and help protect our security.
(PATAKI) This is a bad deal, but to protect our military, I would have signed it. Uh, its not going to be the case, if I have a chance to lead this country, were going to reduce the deficit, shrink the government, lower the tax burden and grow the private sector because thats how you solve deficits.
(HARWOOD) When you came into office with a budget surplus in the state of Louisiana, now, years later, the state legislature faced a $1.6 billion budget gap and the Republican state treasurer called one of your approaches to that problem nonsense on a stick, quoting him. Are you going to do for the federal budget what you did for the Louisiana budget?
(JINDAL) Absolutely, Jhon. And what we did is we cut state spending. Weve cut our budget 26 percent, according to Cato and other analysis, the only candidate thats actually reduced government spending.
(JINDAL) Look, the left always complains theres not enough money for government. We have 30,000 fewer state employees than the day I took office, eight credit upgrades, were a top 10 state for private sector job creation.
(JINDAL) Weve got a choice. You grow the government economy or the American economy. When I became governor, we had 25 years in a row of outmigration. We were coming back from Katrina. The question many were asking, will Louisiana rebuild, should Louisiana rebuild?
(JINDAL) Seven years in a row, more people moving into the state than were leaving the state. We now have more people working than ever before, erg a higher income than ever before. Yes, weve reduced the size of government. Thats exactly what we need to do in DC. In DC, the Republicans slowed the growth rate, they claimed victory. Thats not enough.
(JINDAL) Lets be honest with where we are today. We are running off of a cliff. Look, well be the next Greece and we can talk and we can rearrange the chairs. Over over $18 trillion of debt, no wonder our economy has been stagnant. We havent had real growth. If youre a young student here, youve not seen a robust American economy.
(HARWOOD) But Governor Jindal, as you know, many Republicans are opposed to the approach that youve taken in Louisiana. They complain that you have tried so hard to avoid anything that could be called a tax increase so that you could run for president saying youd never raised taxes, David Vitter, the Republican whos now running to succeed you, has told voters, I wont be like Jindal, Im not using the governorship as a stepping stone to higher office.
(JINDAL) Well, Jhon, a couple of things. Not only did we not raise taxes, we did the largest income tax cut in the states history. And Im proud of that record. I think thats the kind of leadership voters want in DC.
(JINDAL) If you want somebody thats going to do and say the things that cant be said, cant be done, Im asking a vote for me to join my cause. Thats how dangerous these times are. This is -- this is a -- this is -- these are dangerous times for America. I think we have a chance to rescue the idea of America, but if we dont do it now, four years will be too late from now.
(HARWOOD & JINDAL) HARWOOD: Governor Jindal, thank you. JINDAL: Thank you. HARWOOD: Were going to take a quick break. The Republican presidential debate continues live from Boulder, Colorado in a moment.
(PATAKI) No, I dont think we need a military response, but we need a coordinated response. And I have to say that I think the Obama administration has been completely lax, to say the least, in dealing with these cyber-attacks, not just by governments like North Korea, but by, particularly, Chinese and other companies.
(PATAKI) And what I would do is put in place a policy where if we know a company, say, a Chinese company, is hacking into American companies, stealing trade secrets, as we know they do every day, we will retaliate against that company and say that that companys not going to be allowed to continue to do trade with the United States.
(PATAKI) I would also look at what were doing at the federal level and put in place what Israel has done: a -- one federal agency dealing with cybersecurity and charged with working across silos to make sure we have the best technology.
(PATAKI) And, Jim, Ive gotta tell you something, talking about cybersecurity. Hillary Clinton put a server, an unsecure server, in her home as secretary of state. We have no doubt that that was hacked, and that state secrets are out there to the Iranians, the Russians, the Chinese and others.
(GRAHAM) Heres the problem. Were being walked all over because our commander in chief is weak in the eyes of our enemies. Do you think Putin would be in the Ukraine today if Ronald Reagan were president? Why are the Chinese stealing our intellectual property, hacking into our system? Why are they building islands over resource-rich waters? Because they can get away with it.
(GRAHAM) At the end of the day, ladies and gentlemen, the foreign policy of Barack Obama needs to be replaced, and the last person you want to find to replace his foreign policy is his secretary of state.
(GRAHAM) So to the Chinese, when it comes to dealing with me, youve got a clenched fist or an open hand. You pick. The partys over, to all the dictators. Make me commander-in-chief and this crap stops.
(CRAMER) Thank you, Senator. Senator Santorum. We know that a troubling amount of air pollution on the west coast comes from China. Should we enact a pollution tax on products imported from China and give our manufacturers a level playing field?
(SANTORUM) One of the reasons I introduced the 20/20 plan, a 20 percent flat tax on corporations, as well as on individuals, is so we can be competitive, so we can bring those manufacturing jobs back.
(SANTORUM) You want to talk about cutting pollution? You do a little back- of-the-envelope. We -- we produce, per dollar of GDP, about one-fifth of the CO2 and other pollutants that China produces. So were five times more efficient in producing goods here, as far as the environment -- environment is concerned.
(SANTORUM) Why dont we -- if we really want to tackle environmental problems, global warming, what we need to do is take those jobs from China and bring them back here to the United States, employ workers in this country.
(SANTORUM) Weve lost two million jobs -- two million jobs -- under this administration in manufacturing -- 15,000 manufacturers have left this country. Why? Because of bad tax policy, bad regulatory policy and, yes, bad trade policy.
(HARWOOD) Governor Jindal, Senator Santorum just raised the issue of corporate taxes, and cutting corporate taxes is very popular in your party because our rate, at 35 percent, is one of the highest in the world. But nobody has figured out how to identify a set of loopholes that would allow that tax rate to be lowered. So can you tell us specifically what loopholes youd do away with?
(JINDAL) Absolutely, John. Id go further. My tax plan, like everybodys, like a lot of Republicans -- look, Id get rid of the death penalty and the marriage penalty, and Id simplify the brackets to 25 percent, 10 percent, 2 percent, so that an average middle-class family -- a teacher marries a law enforcement official (ph)...
(JINDAL) In terms of the corporate tax, secondly, Id get rid of the corporate tax. We do have the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. Id get rid of it. Id get rid of all the corporate welfare. Make the CEOs pay their same tax rates the way the rest of us do.
(JINDAL) And third, Id purposely shrink the size of government. You know, that is a -- that is an intentional feature of my plan. Weve got a choice: do we grow government -- the government economy, or the American economy?
(QUICK) Governor Pataki, lets talk a little bit about whats happened on Wall Street. Some of your colleagues in the Republican Party, including some of the people on this stage, have bashed Wall Street. They say that it was largely responsible for the financial crisis.
(PATAKI) I think they have gone too far. I think weve seen Wall Street really blossom and do very well while the rest of the country is struggling, and its because we have this corrupt connection between Wall Street and Washington.
(PATAKI) And, John, you were just talking about what loopholes would you get rid of. I would get rid of virtually every single one of them. They cost American taxpayers $1.4 trillion a year. I would throw them all out.
(PATAKI & HARWOOD) PATAKI: No, I wouldnt. I was going to say... HARWOOD: ...important, you would get rid of that? PATAKI: ...no, I would keep -- first, yes, but what I would do is ii would lower the tax on manufacturing to the lowest in the developed world -- 12 percent.
(PATAKI) I -- you know, Bobby, youre talking about your tax cuts? I cut taxes more than everybody on this stage, more than everybody on the next stage, combined. By more than the other 49 states, in New York state.
(QUINTANILLA) Senator Graham. You have said you believe that climate change is real. Youve said you accept tax increases as part of a budget deal with Democrats. Youve co-sponsored a Senate immigration bill providing a path to citizenship for those in the country illegally. Are you in the wrong partys debate?
(GRAHAM) No, I -- I think Im trying to solve problems that somebody had better solve. Now, you dont have to believe that climate change is real. I have been to the Antarctic. Ive been to Alaska. Im not a scientist, and Ive got the grades to prove it.
(GRAHAM) But Ive talked to the climatologists of the world, and 90 percent of them are telling me that greenhouse gas effect is real. That were heating up the planet. I just want a solution that would be good for the economy, that doesnt destroy it.
(GRAHAM) I want to fix an immigration system. Im not gonna tell you, if you like your doctor, you can keep it -- keep him. Do you like your health care, youre gonna keep it. Im tired of telling people things that they want to hear, that we know were not gonna do.
(GRAHAM) Were not gonna eliminate the corporate tax. But we can make it lower. Were going to fix immigration, only if we work together. I want to secure the border because, if we dont, were going to get hurt and hit again.
(GRAHAM) Good God, look who were running against. The number one candidate on the other side thought she was flat broke after her and her husband were in the White House for eight years. The number two guy went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon and I dont think he ever came back. If we dont beat these people, who the hell are we going to beat? (CROSSTALK)
(QUICK) But very recently, the CEO of Toll Brothers (ph) told that he cant get by without immigrants because they make up more than half of his workforce at this point. Were not talking about people who are making minimum wage but he cant find Americans who want to do these jobs for $20-an-hour-plus jobs.
(SANTORUM) Well, as you know, Becky, we have the lowest labor participation rate in 50 years and we also have the slowest growth in wages in the history of our country, any 20-year period. In fact, the last quarter had the lowest wage growth ever recorded.
(SANTORUM) And so you look at the fact that weve brought in 35 million -- 35 million legal and illegal immigrants over the last 20 years, more than any period in American history, we have low wages, low participation waits. Maybe -- rates.
(SANTORUM) Maybe theres something going on like we arent -- we arent -- we dont have the -- the right match, right? We dont -- we arent giving the training and the investment in our workers and were bringing in people to compete against low wage workers. Thats whats happening.
(SANTORUM) We are -- we have an immigration policy that Senator Graham supported that brings in even more low wage workers into this country. He says he wants to solve problems, thats great. But youre not solving problems for American wage earners. Youre not solving problems for workers in America who have seen their wages flat line and have been disaffected enough to leave the workplace.
(SANTORUM) We need to get better training and better skills, including vocational education and -- and training in this -- in those -- and -- and cut -- community colleges. But the bottom line is, we have to make sure that we are not flooding this country...
(QUICK& SANTORUM & GRAHAM) QUICK: All right... SANTORUM: -- with competition... QUICK: Senator, Im sorry your minute is up. SANTORUM: -- for low wage workers. QUICK: Thank you very much, Senator Santorum. SANTORUM: (INAUDIBLE) and I... QUICK: And Graham, Mr. Graham, yes, that was a question to you, too. GRAHAM: The first thing... QUICK: You have 30 seconds.
(GRAHAM) -- that we have to do is come to grips with the reality that were facing as Americans. In 1950, there were 16 workers for every Social Security recipient. Today, theres three. In 20 years, there are two.
(GRAHAM) American workers always get the first preference. But if you cant find an American worker, after you advertise at a competitive wage, I dont want you to be at a loss. Bring people in based on merit. Lets take a broken immigration...
(QUICK & GRAHAM) QUICK: Senator Graham, thank you. GRAHAM: -- system... QUICK: Im sorry. Thats your 30 seconds... GRAHAM: -- and make a merit-based immigration system that will help our economy. Were going to need workers in the future. QUICK: Senator Graham... GRAHAM: Lets just choose rationally. QUICK: Thank you, Senator. (CROSSTALK)
(QUICK& PATAKI & SANTORUM) QUICK: Gentlemen, hold on a second. PATAKI: Let me -- let me try to get a word in edgewise. QUICK: Go ahead, SANTORUM: Thats not whats happening. PATAKI: In Washington, they talk over each other... UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Each one... (CROSSTALK)
(PATAKI) We have a skills gap. You mentioned the construction company. The construction industry says one of their biggest problems are they cant find the craftsmen to do the work. What we have to... (CROSSTALK)
(PATAKI) -- do in America is honor blue collar work again. We have to honor the carpenter, the plumber, the electrician, who can actually build something and instead of just saying that a college degree live -- delivers prestige, lets celebrate those who do things with their hands and elevate their skills using training in high school and community...
(QUICK & PATAKI) QUICK: Governor Pataki... PATAKI: -- colleges so that we can... QUICK: -- Im sorry, that was a... (CROSSTALK) PATAKI: -- have a better quality workforce that we honor... QUICK: Governor Pataki... PATAKI: -- as they build Americas future. QUICK: Im sorry to talk over you, sir. That was a minute. PATAKI: Thank you. QUICK: Thank you very much. PATAKI: Thank you. QUICK: Carl?
(QUINTANILLA) My question for Governor Jindal, Paul Ryan says he would take the speaker job if it did not take away from his family time. The Department of Labor says 13 percent of American workers are eligible for paid family leave and the U.S. is the only developed nation in the world not to have guaranteed paid maternity leave for new moms. Should the government work to change that?
(JINDAL) Look, I think the government should work to change that, but that doesnt -- does not mean Im for the government mandating that. We already have too many government mandates out of DC. Do I want people to have paid leave? Sure. Do I want people to earn higher wages? Sure. Do I want them to have better benefits? Sure. The government cant wave a magic wand and make that happen.
(JINDAL) Were on a path toward socialism. The way that folks can get better paying jobs with better benefits is if we have a growing economy. That means to repeal all of ObamaCare, a lower flatter tax code.
(JINDAL) That means that we have an energy plan that makes sense. That means that we embrace an all of the above approach to energy. Those are good paying jobs -- $50,000, $70,000, $90,000 a year jobs with benefits.
(JINDAL) But this president wont let us produce more energy on our domestic federal lands and waters. He wont allow the Canadians to build the Keystone Pipeline. Hes got an EPA thats doing everything they can to kill private sector jobs in America.
(HARWOOD) Senator Graham, Americans have gotten used to seeing headlines about more and more big corporations relocating overseas to cut their tax bill. Now, many in Washington think the way to stop that is to lower our corporate tax rate.
(HARWOOD) But as weve seen, tax reform takes time. It hasnt happened yet. In the meantime, do you fault those companies for leaving? Do companies owe anything to their country, as well as their shareholders?
(GRAHAM) We owe to every businessperson and worker in America the best environment in the world to create a job. We owe that to American businesses. Thirty-five percent corporate tax rate is the second highest in the world. We need to lower it so they dont leave. The goal is to help the middle class.
(GRAHAM) We can talk about corporations all day long but my goal is to help the middle class, somebody who makes too much to be on government assistance but still lives paycheck to paycheck. When the kid gets sick you dont go on vacation. (CROSSTALK)
(GRAHAM) Thats the purpose of my presidency, to grow the economy here. And let me tell you, our Democratic friends have a list a mile long of more government. Thats not going to grow the middle class, thats going to create a burden on your children, which theyre already overburdened. The best way to grow the middle class is to make it a good place to create a job.
(HARWOOD & GRAHAM) HARWOOD: Senator Graham. GRAHAM: A permitting structure that allowed them to build the building even faster than they thought they could build it. We welcomed them there. Im going to take the South Carolina attitude --
(HARWOOD) I want to remind candidates, youve got a one-minute limit on the -- on the response. But I just want to follow up, Senator Graham. Four years ago, the nominee of your party said that corporations are people, too. If that is true, the question is, do they owe any obligation to the country?
(GRAHAM) I think everybody owes an obligation to the country. The ones that Im most worried about are the 1 percent of Americans in uniform, who have been fighting this war for 14 years. They need a commander in chief who knows what the hell theyre doing.
(GRAHAM) My first job as President of the United States is to rebuild the military and use it smartly. Admiral Mullen said the debt is a big threat to our national security. Hes right. But people go where theyre welcome when it comes to job creation. If Im President of the United States you will be welcomed in America.
(HARWOOD & GRAHAM) HARWOOD: Senator Graham -- GRAHAM: This will be the place to come -- HARWOOD: -- thank you very much. GRAHAM: And if Im president of the United States -- HARWOOD: Were moving on. GRAHAM: -- our enemies -- QUICK: You guys are making this just like home. This is just like (INAUDIBLE). (CROSSTALK) HARWOOD: Senator, were moving on. Id like to bring on my colleague, Rick Santelli -- Rick.
(SANTELLI & PATAKI) SANTELLI: Listen, Americas central bank, the Federal Reserve, theyve kept interest rates near zero since the 2008 financial crisis. And, by the way, they had a meeting today, you think they raised rates? No. Shocking, isnt it? PATAKI: Not at all.
(SANTELLI) Listen, its been a rough ride for American savers and retirees, they really rely on this interest income. And its been a bonanza for the stock market, a bonanza. And for investors that like the little bit more risk, its been a bonanza for them as well. So I guess what Im asking is, do you think this policy is fair and do you support it?
(PATAKI) No, I dont support it. But let me go back a little bit here. We need to grow our economy faster. Weve had the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. And its because of policy in Washington and policy at the Fed. And let me go back to Washington. In 2009 --
(PATAKI) Instead of focusing on pro-growth policies in the economy, he rammed through ObamaCare, the worst law of my lifetime, that hurt small businesses, hurt companies, raised taxes and almost completely eliminated one industry because of its taxes.
(PATAKI) The Fed had to act. And the Fed did act and appropriately in reducing interest rates but theyve reduced them now for seven straight years, thats never happened before. Theyve been zero for way too long.
(PATAKI) They should raise the rates; the Fed should get out of manipulating the market and the Fed also, by the way, should reduce its balance sheet, $2.7 trillion. Let some of those bonds mature and put the money back in the banking system so our economy can grow.
(SANTELLI) Thanks, Governor. Senator Santorum, in the 2012 presidential debate, you were for the export-import bank, which facilitates government funding for U.S. exports. American companies like GE and Boeing are among the beneficiaries.
(SANTELLI) But you said that killing the bank here -- and Im going to quote you -- is the last thing a true conservative should be doing. I dont know, government-backed funding isnt normally what I hear from true conservatives. So why is this situation different?
(SANTORUM) And when it comes to our manufacturers, the level playing field is not in the United States. Its international. And so the federal government should have laws, tax laws, regulatory laws and, yes, finance laws. Theres 60 other ex-im banks all over -- all over the world.
(SANTORUM) Every major competitor for the United States manufacturing dollar has one of those banks. And guess what? They use those banks a heck of a lot more than their -- than the United States of America does, number one.
(SANTORUM) Because export financing doesnt help Boeing, or G.E. G.E. just lost a contract, you know what they did? They went to . They got the X.M. (ph) bank in France to support it, and what did they do?
(SANTORUM) They moved manufacturing out of South Carolina, out of Texas, moved to -- Hungary, and to France. G.E. is still making money. G.E. is still doing well, but American workers are out of jobs. Thats why we have to have this level playing field so we can compete with the rest of the world.
(QUINTANILLA) Welcome back to the University of Colorado, and the Republican Presidential Debate on CNBC. A question for Senator Santorum. People in this state have loved Coors Beer since it was founded in 1873. I can atest... (CHEERING) (APPLAUSE)
(QUINTANILLA) Now, the brewer later became part of SABMiller, but, now SAB may be bought by Budweiser owner, InBev. Is it right to have a third of brewers in this country owned by one company, and do you fear a company that size will have too much power over consumers.
(SANTORUM) Well, first, since you mention Colorado, I want to thank the people of Colorado because four years ago you -- gave me the honor of winning the nomination out here in the state of Colorado. On a night we won three states, and it catapulted us to win 11 states ultimately, so, I just want to thank you very, very much for that support, and -- in response to that, I do drink a lot of Coors beer, so...
(SANTORUM) I -- I do -- as I travel around the country, I do pints and politics, and I go to breweries all over the place, and there -- theres almost no town in America anymore that doesnt have a brewery, so I dont think we need to worry too much.
(SANTORUM) Theyre obviously -- if theres -- if theres some anti- competitive issues, you know, we have agencies to look at that. But, no, Im not -- Im not concerned that Americans are not going to have choices in beer.
(QUINTANILLA & SANTORUM) QUINTANILLA: Well, lets get to that. I mean, another example, for example, is Walgreens. SANTORUM: And I care about, by the way. I care about choices. QUINTANILLA: Im sure you do.
(SANTORUM) Youve seen Obama try to seed health insurance companies, and theyve all failed, I think, except one. Why? Because we have a system of Obamacare with minimum loss ratios that make it virtually impossible for a small insurer to operate effectively.
(QUINTANILLA & SANTORUM) QUINTANILLA: Senator. SANTORUM: ...that they consolidate into a small group. Then the left can say, there is no competition, we need a single payer. Thats why we have to repeal Obamacare. QUINTANILLA: Thank you. Becky.
(QUICK) Governor Jindal, I want to go back to something that you mentioned before with your tax plan. I know that you want to put a 2 percent tax on all families, just to make sure everyone has some skin in the game.
(JINDAL) I want every American to worry and care about how those folks in D.C. are spending our money. If $18 trillion of debt -- theyre misspending our money. Earned success is so much more fulfilling than unearned success.
(JINDAL) He said, paradoxically, lowering tax rates now is the best way to produce higher government revenues later. No, that wasnt President Reagan, as many are probably guessing at home. That was President Kennedy.
(JINDAL) I see you know the answer. That was President Kennedy. Imagine if he were alive today -- and if he was at that last Democratic debate, imagine if you tried to say that in a party thats veering towards socialism. That wouldnt be welcome in todays Democratic party.
(QUICK & HARWOOD) QUICK: Governor, thank you. HARWOOD: Governor Pataki, youve indicated you believe climate change is real and caused at least in part by human activity. So, in 60 seconds, tell us what the federal government should do about it.
(PATAKI) Yeah, absolutely. I -- one of the things that troubles me about the Republican Party is too often we question science that everyone accepts. I mean, its ridiculous that, in the 21st century, were questioning whether or not vaccines are the appropriate way to go. Of course they are. And its also not appropriate to think that human activity, putting CO2 into the atmosphere, doesnt make the earth warmer. All things being equal, it does. Its uncontroverted.
(PATAKI) Thats not the solution that I see. I want Republicans to embrace innovation and technology. You know, theres one country in the world that has fewer greenhouse gas emissions than the rest of -- of the world. You know what that is? The United States.
(HARWOOD & PATAKI) HARWOOD: Is there a role for government? PATAKI: ...replace coal plants -- governments roles -- is to incentivize innovation and the entrepreneurial spirit in America. We could have far more clean energy. We could have next-generation nuclear, thorium reactors that have no risk of meltdown. We could have solar panels on every home that are four times more efficient than today.
(PATAKI) We could export those technologies to places like China and like India so we would grow our economy, have a far greater impact globally, have a secure domestic source of energy, and cleaner, healthier air. Thats the solution. Embrace science, embrace innovation and change.
(QUINTANILLA) After this question maybe. The 2015 Nobel Prize winner for economics argues that slow growth causes poverty, and that leads to inequality. What would you do to ease inequality? And what would you do solve poverty? By the way, thanks to Larry Kudlow, CNBC, for this question.
(SANTORUM) Well, if you look at our plan that I introduced, the 2020 Clear Vision for America, we increase growth by 10 percent, 1 percent a year. So we go from 2.3 to 3.3, in repealing Obamacare, its another .7. So youre looking at 4 percent growth, according to the Tax Foundation.
(SANTORUM) And unlike Donald Trump and Bobby Jindal, we dont add $10 trillion to the deficit. In fact, our plan, while it creates as many jobs as their plan does and grows the economy as much as theirs does, we are a revenue-neutral plan because I believe that we need to reduce the size of government, yes, but we also need to reduce our deficit, and we need to get our budget balanced so we can start paying down this debt. And adding a trillion dollars with a tax cut and getting no more growth is not the way to do it.
(SANTORUM) But thats only half of it. The word economy comes from the Greek euthokis (ph) which means family. The family is the first economy. And the one thing that we do not talk about enough is how stable families are vitally important for the middle of America to be prosperous and to grow and be safe. And I will have policies, not just tax policies, but others that will make sure that families are strong again in America.
(JINDAL) Look, if Senator Santorum wants to concede the tax cut wing of the Republican Party, Im happy to fight for that side of the Republican Party. Hes exactly right. I explicitly want to shrink the size of government; 22 percent over 10 years is not too much. We cut our state budget 26 percent in eight years.
(JINDAL) This is a fundamental choice. We mustnt become a cheaper version of the Democratic Party, a second liberal party. We need to proudly say were willing to cut taxes, shrink government, grow the American economy. President Kennedy said it to the Democratic Party. Why cant we say it in the Republican Party in 2015, lets cut taxes.
(JINDAL) John, our budget is balanced. We balanced our budget every year for eight years. Yeah, weve had to cut spending. You know what? We privatized or closed nine of our 10 charity hospitals. We did statewide school choice; $1.6 billion (ph) budget cut.
(JINDAL) Youre quoting an old number from the beginning of the year. We closed that gap. What they talk about, just like D.C., governments the only place where you give them less money than they wanted, they count it as a cut. They take last years budget. They add inflation. They call it a baseline. We need to do zero-based budgets. We need to say just because you got money last year, you dont have it this year.
(JINDAL) Let me close, though. We balanced our budget. We didnt raise taxes. In eight years, we never raised taxes. We cut taxes. Our -- our taxpayers, our families have been better off for it. (CROSSTALK)
(EPPERSON) Senator Graham, one in every four workers has saved less than $1,000 for retirement. Millions of Americans rely on their Social Security benefits for the majority of their retirement income. Now, you called for reforms to Social Security, but what would you do to fix the other part of the problem for future retirees and get people to save more?
(GRAHAM) Well, number one, Social Security is not just a concept to me. I know why it exists; 50 percent of todays seniors would be in poverty without a Social Security check. I promise you, if you make me your president, I will save Social Security because I know why it exists.
(GRAHAM) Now, if youre looking for good beer policy, Im your best bet. My dad owned a bar. I know beer. We grew up, my sister and myself, in the back of that bar in one room with my mom, my dad and my sister whos nine years younger. When I was 21, my mom was diagnosed with Hodgkins disease.
(GRAHAM) Neither parent finished high school. She died within a year. We were wiped out from the medical bills. And if it wasnt for a Social Security survivor benefit check coming into my family, we wouldnt have made it because my dad died 15 months later. So I...
(EPPERSON & GRAHAM) EPPERSON: But Senator Graham... GRAHAM: Wait a minute, please. Im 22 and were wiped out. I am 60. Im not married. I have a military retirement. Im in good shape. I would give up some of my benefits to help those who need it more than I do.
(GRAHAM) To young people here, I will ask you to work a little bit longer because we have to. The purpose of my presidency is to save this country and to save Social Security by working across the aisle just like Ronald Reagan. This is the biggest issue facing this nation.
(EPPERSON) Thank you, Senator Graham. Thank you, Senator Graham. Governor Jindal, youve been a strong supporter of for-profit colleges. These are institutions that educate many veterans, minorities and working class Americans. They make up about 11 percent of the college population at these schools, but they account for 44 percent of student loan default.
(JINDAL) (INAUDIBLE) absolutely they should be accountable. They should be accountable to their students through the market. Look, you either trust the American people to make their own choices or you dont.
(JINDAL) I know the Left thinks we need to be protected from ourselves. President Obama is trying to limit competition to the higher education market. As a result, youre going to see tuition prices continue to go up. Weve had $1 trillion of student debt and counting. And he wants to exempt certain schools from the same oversight he wants to apply only to the for-profit market.
(JINDAL) For some reason, the private sector is a bad word to this president. Its not in the real world. In Louisiana, we fought so that the dollars follow the child and so the child following the dollar. What that means, from K-12, what that means is that parents and their families can decide whats the best way for their children to be educated.
(JINDAL) Higher education, we have a TOPS program, where, again, we will help if a student maintains a 20 ACT, 2.5 GPA, well pay for their tuition. They can take those dollars for private school of their choice in the state as well. You either trust the American people or you dont. I know the Left doesnt. Thats why you get ObamaCare. They want to tell us what kind of insurance to buy. Thats why you get Common Core, they want to take away our gun rights under the Second Amendment. They want to take away our religious liberty rights.
(QUICK & PATAKI) QUICK: Thank you. Governor? PATAKI: The one I use the most is Uber. You know, I used to get driven... PATAKI: -- when I was governor, I had a driver. I dont anymore, but... (CROSSTALK) PATAKI: And its an example of what millennials are doing to change America for the better. And I tweet a lot, too. So Uber, Tweet -- Twitter and then I communicate with my family.
(QUICK & GRAHAM) QUICK: Thank you. Senator Graham? GRAHAM: Well, number one, the only reason I have an iPhone is because I gave my number to Donald Trump. Dont do that. (LAUGHTER) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor... GRAHAM: Donald has done more to upgrade my technology than my whole staff. Number one, Fox News. Sorry about CNBC. GRAHAM: Were in a Republican primary here.
(JINDAL) Well, absolutely, when the Saints go back to repeat, we were talking about beer sales earlier, all those folks from being hung over in Louisiana from drinking to celebrate Drew Brees winning this, I think it would be a great day to take off.
(JINDAL) No, look, on a serious note, I do want to say this about the Super Bowl and our athletes. They can be great role models for our children and Im obviously a Saints fan. Drew Brees and his wife great role models, great Christians. So, yes, it should be a holiday.
(QUINTANILLA & SANTORUM) QUINTANILLA: Senator? SANTORUM: Well, since were usually in the Super Bowl at the Pittsburgh Steelers... Steeler nation, anybody? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. SANTORUM: No. I was in... (CROSSTALK)
(SANTORUM) -- I was in Kansas City over the weekend to watch the Steeler game and about a third of the crowd were Steeler fans. So Im usually not alone when I call on Steeler Nation. But we are used to being in the Super Bowl, so actually, it is in Pennsylvania already.
(QUINTANILLA & PATAKI) QUINTANILLA: Governor? PATAKI: I -- I am a long suffering Jets fan. So my answer is obviously no, theres no reason to take off the day after the Super Bowl. PATAKI: But let me just add this. The Mets are going to win tonight. Lets go, Mets. QUINTANILLA: Finally, Senator?
(HARWOOD) OK, now were at the point of the evening where were just about to give our candidates a holiday from this debate, but not before they tell us in 30 seconds their closing statements. Senator Graham, youre first.
(GRAHAM) I intend to make America strong again. Im going to be the champion of the middle class, where I came from. If you make me your president, our best days are ahead. Im ready to be commander- in-chief, ladies and gentlemen, on day one. I intend to war -- win a war that we cannot afford to lose.
(PATAKI) Thank you for the opportunity to be with this great audience tonight. Im a limited government conservative and I mean by that that not just when it comes to economic issues leaving them to the state, but social issues, as well.
(PATAKI) And in that I differ from every single other candidate seeking the Republican nomination. I take the Tenth Amendment very, very seriously. Im a Republican who embraces science and understands we have to work with the next generation of millennials to have the innovation and technology so that we can grow a 21st century economy.
(SANTORUM) I grew up in a steel town of Western Pennsylvania, outside of Pittsburgh, and when I announced for president, I announced from the factory floor. When I talk about making America the number one manufacturer again in the world, its not just talk. When I talk about having the opportunity for people to rise again, its not just because it polls well.
(SANTORUM) I represented the old steel valley of Pittsburgh. I represented a 70% Democratic district, and won with 60% of the vote. Why? Because I aligned myself with working men and women who feel that neither party, and certainly not Washington D.C. cares about them.
(HARWOOD & JINDAL) HARWOOD: Senator Santorum, thank you. Governor Jindal? JINDAL: My message is to conservatives, this is our hour. Thanks to the insanity, the incompetence of the Democratic party, the American people are ready to turn our government over to us. Its not enough to let just any Republican, however. The reality is the idea of America is slipping away.
(JINDAL) As Christians, we believe that the tomb is empty. As Americans, we believe that our best days are always ahead of us, and they can be again. We must win this election. We cannot allow Hillary Clinton to take us down this path towards socialism -- further down this path.
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